tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post6000698442552887018..comments2024-03-17T12:51:46.412-07:00Comments on Cutting Through The Crap: The Thirty Percent SolutionSid Schwabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14182853083503404098noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-77454859003145768262009-04-21T21:03:00.000-07:002009-04-21T21:03:00.000-07:00I never said I didn't have more evidence BB. There...I never said I didn't have more evidence BB. There's more, I'm just insisting that you give some evidence about "It was all disproved decades ago" before I put it up here, only to have some winger say: "It ain't so - prove it some more!" <br /><br />I note with surprise and wonder your prison ideation – it just sort of slipped out didn’t it? Do you fantasize about prisons a lot? Turkish Prisons? <br /><br />Many republicans must having those thoughts, now that the deafening sound of flapping chicken wings permeate the air at DOJ – and with Spanish judges looking so grim and all.<br /><br />Nonetheless, BB, great Zen Archery, I am writing this in a cell, but not as an inmate, no, I volunteer here and I am working with republicans convicted of various sexual perversions. Spousal rape, incest, page date rape - that sort of thing.<br /><br />I check the grammar in the books all five are writing on the theme of - how Jesus was sitting on the bunk when they entered their cell.<br /><br />Devil of a job, they keep trying to plagiarize each other. I am taking the time, and space to write, as they are all off doing… going… Ahh! Engaged in conjugal mentoring by the more senior inmates.<br /><br />It is a little crowded here, but when the new “George W. Bush” memorial wing opens, rest assured, republicans will rest assured on a clean new bunk, three squares and all the mentoring they ever dreamed of.<br /><br />Still Waiting!!<br /><br />EugeneInSanDiegoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-48270849712133063992009-04-21T17:26:00.000-07:002009-04-21T17:26:00.000-07:00That there was a hub-bub 75 years ago? Sure. Tha...That there was a hub-bub 75 years ago? Sure. That Bush is "well-known" to be complicit? Still waiting for the "evidence". <br /><br />75 years from now, Eugene'sgrandsoninSanDiego will be writing "it is well-known that GW Bush bombed the World Trade Center himself".Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-3926910556308986382009-04-21T15:21:00.000-07:002009-04-21T15:21:00.000-07:00If I may chime in for a moment, boys (I like not h...If I may chime in for a moment, boys (I like not having to carry all the water...)<br /><br />The fascist plot in which Prescott Bush and old man Walker were alleged to have been involved seems fairly well documented. A brief search finds many sources, several of which seem credible. The BBC, for example, not reputed to be crazy like Fox, has <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml" REL="nofollow">this</A>. I could go on.<br /><br />From my brief search, it seems akin to holocaust denial to argue that it didn't exist. You can't simply reject contemporary evidence because you don't like it. <br /><br />Well, of course, you can. People can, and do. Of late, they seem to be congregating quite noticeably on the right side of the line.Sid Schwabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182853083503404098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-8324019986269605312009-04-21T14:15:00.000-07:002009-04-21T14:15:00.000-07:00"I made my point and offered my evidence. Your tur..."I made my point and offered my evidence. Your turn."<br /><br />Uh---you've offered absolutely nothing. You've said something. You've repeated an accusation from 75 years ago. <br /><br />Gee-I saw someone on TV say they saw a UFO. That's my evidence. <br /><br />"The New York Times subscription list for the dates in question!"<br /><br />Right. From 1932. Those are your witnesses?<br /><br />Nice try. <br /><br />Hey--I heard someone say that we never landed on the moon! That's my evidence!<br /><br />Any more of your "rules"?Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-53612790088600978422009-04-21T13:37:00.000-07:002009-04-21T13:37:00.000-07:00Darn, I really wanted to get to the truth about Ob...Darn, I really wanted to get to the truth about Obama's grandpa. <br /><br />Once again you evade the point, I guess it's the best (only) thing left to do once you tried the 'Create a Straw Man trope: <br /><br />Set up a straw man named Eugene who claims to be an expert on debate and claims to be "In Charge"<br /><br />FAIL!!!<br /><br />I mentioned a very basic rule.<br /><br />Another basic rule:<br /><br />You have it wrong again - I made my point and offered my evidence. Your turn. Ball's in your court BB.<br /><br />But since you are floundering here: a little helpful clue for you:<br /><br />The names of "One Thousand People Who Ever Even Heard About It."<br /><br />Try the New York Times subscription list for the dates in question!<br /><br />Still Waiting!<br /><br />EugeneInSanDiegoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-13446430000182587642009-04-21T11:41:00.000-07:002009-04-21T11:41:00.000-07:00Gosh, Eugene, I'm not a professional debater like ...Gosh, Eugene, I'm not a professional debater like you, but I would think that if the "basic rule of debate that statements offered without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence" is enforced, then the one making the first statement would go first.<br /><br />So--do you have any evidence at all--any---that this is "well known" or even "kind of known"? How about "five people not living in the cell with me know"?<br /><br />Guess not. Nice debate.Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-46388927076537308572009-04-21T09:16:00.000-07:002009-04-21T09:16:00.000-07:00Well 'Beer Bottle' the topic, was and is, about th...Well 'Beer Bottle' the topic, was and is, about the possibility of right wing crazies inciting war damaged veterans - some few of them - not all of them - or Syd, as you imply.<br /><br />Try to stick to the point.<br /><br />Regarding the plot: They didn't pass out fliers advertising the coup, did they?<br /><br />Will you? No, you will keep it as secret as possible. Standard procedure straight out of the republican playbook.<br /><br />Since you are the one without any evidence, at all, you go first; give me the names of one thousand people who knew that "Obama's grandfather sold heroin to kindergartners."<br /><br />Then, back up you claim, with something more than your opinion, tell us who 'disproved' Butler's evidence of the plot.<br /><br />We're waiting.<br /><br />EugeneInSanDiegoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-8455794661687822242009-04-20T23:19:00.000-07:002009-04-20T23:19:00.000-07:00"Fair and balanced" is their news slogan. Their p..."Fair and balanced" is their news slogan. Their promotions dept tries to get people to watch. There's a difference, but some people just stare at the tube, don't you?<br /><br />"Cheerleaders" is the slogan of Maddow and her ilk at MSNBC.<br /><br />You were profiled by the DHS. You are a vet, therefore dangerous and likely to be recruited by terrorists. Relevance? I would think so.Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-65592970003468769442009-04-20T23:15:00.000-07:002009-04-20T23:15:00.000-07:00"It is a basic rule of debate that statements offe..."It is a basic rule of debate that statements offered without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."<br /><br />Well, Eugene, I don't know who put you in charge, but now I guess we'll see you live by your own rules.<br /><br />"It is well known"<br /><br />Support this. Give the names of 1,000 people (out of the 300,000,000 in the country) who knew this. Not even people who believe it--just people who have even heard of it.<br /><br />"my statements are backed by that evidence."<br /><br />Well, no, you can only affirm that Smedley said it. Unless you personally can support his claims.<br /><br />So, you have one guy who thinks Bush was trying to overthrow the government. This isn't evidence, it's opinion/ Unless you can prove Smedley true.<br /><br />But of course, you're the debate expert.<br /><br />We're waiting.Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-14235035522532718642009-04-20T20:11:00.000-07:002009-04-20T20:11:00.000-07:00Disproved? Who disproved it?
It is a basic rule ...Disproved? Who disproved it? <br /><br />It is a basic rule of debate that statements offered without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence.<br /><br />If the, then, commandant the of the Marine Corp, a decorated war hero and a Medal of Honor recipient gave evidence that the plot happened, my statements are backed by that evidence.<br /><br />Thus I dismiss what 'Beer Bottle' claims, because he offers no evidence at all, just a denial. He just says it never happened - and then adds a non sequitur.<br /><br />Who do you think we should believe, a man like Butler or Prescott Bush who traded with the Nazis during World War ll<br /><br />A documentary with footage of Butlers testimony is coming out - we'll see, what is proved or disproved.<br /><br />EugeneInSanDiegoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-83160889156467424952009-04-20T17:52:00.000-07:002009-04-20T17:52:00.000-07:00Not ducking the question the way you duck the "fai...Not ducking the question the way you duck the "fair and balanced" issue.<br /><br />I'm not answering because it has no relevance to the DHS document. If you don't get that by now there's nothing I can say that will straighten you out.Sid Schwabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182853083503404098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-45835832639529034572009-04-20T16:30:00.000-07:002009-04-20T16:30:00.000-07:00It's a business. They know how to do it, since th...It's a business. They know how to do it, since their viewership swamps MSNBC with the Olbermann/Matthews cheerleaders for Obama.<br /><br />So...are you dangerous? Should we be afraid of you? Are you going to use those deadly skills to attack on behalf of the left? I think you're ducking the question.Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-68698058868568693212009-04-20T16:24:00.000-07:002009-04-20T16:24:00.000-07:00"...Fox News was a late comer to the tea parties.....<B>"...Fox News was a late comer to the tea parties..."</B>They <A HREF="http://mediamatters.org/items/200904080025" REL="nofollow">sure made up for lost time</A>, didn't they?<br /><br />"FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." Subtle, huh? Fair. Balanced. I like it.Sid Schwabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182853083503404098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-139444797837306812009-04-20T16:01:00.000-07:002009-04-20T16:01:00.000-07:00Nice to speak with you again, Sid!
1. Legal if de...Nice to speak with you again, Sid!<br /><br />1. Legal if declared. There's lots of guns in the hold on an aircraft.<br />2. I love the "infernal machine" designation. I always make out my check to the "Infernal Revenue Service".<br />3. The guy is a leftist who hates Newt Gingrich. Any evidence otherwise?<br />4. Eugene was somehow NOT missing the point when he tried to smear the very senior Bush? The "Business Plot" was certainly a "black helicopter" moment. <br />5. Do you enjoy the 10th grader oral sex jokes at your favorite "news" organization?<br />6. Aren't you a veteran? You must be dangerous.<br /><br />BTW--Fox News was a late comer to the tea parties. They were trying to get out in front like a lot of people do when they see where things are headed. Rest assured--there were no bombs at the tea parties. No Bill Ayers characters in the group, apparently. I think there are more terrorists in the college prof population (Ayers, Unabomber, etc) than in former military.Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-19239628258400622692009-04-20T15:25:00.000-07:002009-04-20T15:25:00.000-07:00Hey, BB, where you been? I've missed your cogent c...Hey, BB, where you been? I've missed your cogent commentary, where you can be counted on to miss the point. As you did, once again, in the DHS report flap. <br /><br />Ain't there anything the RWS™ say that you disagree with? Is there no fact, no explanation that could change your mind once the propaganda is locked in?<br /><br />If you were in working at DHS, like the person Bush asked to begin the report, would things like <A HREF="http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/us_marine_arres.html?s_campaign=8315" REL="nofollow">this</A> be of concern to you?Sid Schwabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182853083503404098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-29063265846890927272009-04-20T14:47:00.000-07:002009-04-20T14:47:00.000-07:00"It is well known that Bush's grandfather - Presco..."It is well known that Bush's grandfather - Prescott Bush - was involved in a treasonous plot to overthrow the government and replace it a fascist dictatoship."<br /><br />You're kidding right? This is "well-known"? Poppycock disproved decades ago. <br /><br />Here--I'll do this too. Obama's grandfather sold heroin to kindergartners. There--now we're both made non-sensical statements.<br /><br />Sid--aren't you a vet? Are you dangerous? Unhinged? Is janet N watching you?Beer Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4988839706387198339.post-28112702112227132392009-04-20T10:37:00.000-07:002009-04-20T10:37:00.000-07:00Every war produces angry embittered veterans - som...Every war produces angry embittered veterans - some of them dangerously unstable - who become a hazard to the civilian population they return to. <br /><br />The mentally and morally wounded among them, who cannot simply return to civilian life, get into drugs, crime and episodes of extreme violence against strangers and even family members. <br /><br />It is well known that Bush's grandfather - Prescott Bush - was involved in a treasonous plot to overthrow the government and replace it a fascist dictatoship. <br /><br />This was to be accomplished with the aid of disgruntled WWI veterans. <br /><br />The plot was revealed by the popular marine general - Smedly Butler - who was to be the person that would recruit the veterans to rebellion - in the name of American Freedom of course.<br /><br />To his everlasting credit, Butler - a Medal of Honor recipient - blew the whistle on the conspirators.<br /><br />So... the idea that, certain elements in our country, would try to exploit frustrated and angry veterans to do violence, is in no way far fetched. <br /><br />This morning a read a report:<br /><br />"... a U.S. Marine was arrested Sunday morning at Boston's Logan International Airport after screeners found bomb-making materials, a gun and ammunition in his checked baggage."<br /><br />You may be certain that the young man is not alone in holding on to the training and tools he was given when we sent him to war.<br /><br />Given the years of stop loss multiple tours of duty, the experience of hideous death and dismemberment and calculated murder produced by our endless war, it would be dangerously stupid to assume that our returning veterans present no danger to us.<br /><br />Given also the monumental rage and racist hatred being stoked by republicans against our president, I have no difficulty whatever in believing that we may be in need of another Smedly Butler.<br /><br />EugeneInSanDiegoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com