"We have now sunk to a depth at which re-statement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." Orwell
"Men are so simple of mind and so dominated by immediate needs that the deceitful man can easily find those ready to be deceived."
MachiavelliThe fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one... credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.
You know what would be cool? an independent network that concentrated on the hypocrisy of ALL politicians. Why does MSNBC only do Repubs and FOX only do Dems? This partisan stuff creates a self perpetuating cycle. People shouldn't bother taking what they say as truth. Just simply go off of their voting record.I like that website idea with pics of the politicians doing/saying hypocritical things. It would be good for more americans to see how quickly that wall of shame would fill up.FYI, Rachel set off my B.S.meter about 1 minute into her segment when she lied and said that there was a "consensus" among economists that the stimulus plan was necessary. Here's some proof that she was lying:http://republicanleader.house.gov/UploadedFiles/stimulusskeptics.pdfAs for the stimulus, there are many correlations between the Bush/Obama Stimuli, and Japan's Lost Decade. Just some food for thought while everyone enjoys the ribbon cutting ceremonies & falsely inflated economy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_(Japan)I fear that while Americans bicker back-n-forth about partisan politics, they are missing the elephant in the room (loose monetary policies) that are destroying the value of our dollar and thus lowering our standard of living via inflation. When I was a kid, a family could survive off of a parent income. This is not the case today. Inflation is a hidden tax that we are being forced to pay. Whether it's guns or butter, it needs to be paid for before it's approved/spent.Regards,PrecordialThump
You do know the meaning of the word "consensus" don't you, PT?
You're on a roll Sid. Keep it coming.
Consensus is an alternative to the majority rules method of decision making in which all parties have some input into the final agreement. A bailout of politically favored banks and stimulus to projects of politicians choosing is NOT a consensus.Let me expound on Rachel's fib by quoting President Obama's more definitive statement:"There is NO DISAGREEMENT that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help jumpstart the economy."Here is the link to Obama's statement along with the signature of multiple economists who were not included in the "consensus".http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdfRegards,PrecordialThump
Okay, you're right. Rachel's point, that after their self-cheered UNANIMOUS rejection of the stimulus, the Rs went back to their home states and took credit for it, is clearly wrong. I believe you, not my lying eyes. Your takedown was brilliant, and perfectly directed EXACTLY at the point I (and she) was making, negating everything in the video and much more.
Your point was unmistakeable. What the republicans are doing is ridiculous. They should not be taking part in those events and Obama is correct in excoriating them. I will remember those who cut the ribbons when it's my turn to vote. Even though I appear to be arguiing against you, I come back to this blog because you consistently bring up good points that I would not see elsewhere (this being one).I should have made it clear that your point was well made.Regards,Precordialthump
Uh oh, looks like while Republicans were taking part in ribbon cutting ceremonies Joe was taking credit for creating a stable government in Iraq. He & Obama were against "the surge" right? I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government. - Joe Bidenhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/02/joe-biden-update-larry-king-iraq-obama-sarah-palin.htmlpt
I'm sorry PT, but WTF, over?
Hey Dr. Sid,Just as the R's are being hypocritical by attending ribbon cutting ceremonies, our Dem VP is doing the same by claiming credit for creating the beginning of a stable govt in Iraq as well as drawing the # of troops down.Didn't Obama & Biden oppose the surge? Did't GWB start the reduction of troops in Iraq?Start at 45 seconds in:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7gwOuClD0kRegards,PT
PT: as you know, the violence in Iraq began to fall with the Sunni Awakening, which significantly preceded the "surge." Nor is the role of the surge, in the big picture, entirely agreed upon. But you knew that, right?As to Biden: he has, in fact, had a very significant role in the negotiations required to get withdrawal on track, not to mention holding the government there together. If you didn't know that, you should broaden your sources.
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